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    <title>Eschew Obfuscation: Hydrogen Fueling Station: 10 Times Less Efficient</title>
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      <title>Hydrogen Fueling Station: 10 Times Less Efficient</title>
      <description>&lt;p&gt;A new $3.2 million &lt;a href="http://www.kcra.com/news/15760099/detail.html"&gt;hydrogen fueling station&lt;/a&gt; opened in Sacramento last week that has 80kW of solar PV panels are used to produce the hydrogen, so it won&amp;#8217;t use any outside energy. Let&amp;#8217;s take a look at how efficient this is:&lt;/p&gt;


&lt;span class="caps"&gt;SOLAR OUTPUT&lt;/span&gt;:
	&lt;ul&gt;
	&lt;li&gt;80 kW * 5hrs = 400 kWh per day&lt;/li&gt;
	&lt;/ul&gt;


&lt;span class="caps"&gt;WITH FUEL CELL CARS&lt;/span&gt;:
	&lt;ul&gt;
	&lt;li&gt;400 kWh / 65 kWh per kG (Stuart Energy) = ~6 kG per day (AT 5000 &lt;span class="caps"&gt;PSI&lt;/span&gt;)&lt;/li&gt;
		&lt;li&gt;6 kG * 45 miles per kG = 270 miles per day&lt;/li&gt;
		&lt;li&gt;100,000 miles per year&lt;/li&gt;
	&lt;/ul&gt;


&lt;span class="caps"&gt;WITH ELECTRIC CARS&lt;/span&gt; :
	&lt;ul&gt;
	&lt;li&gt;400 &lt;span class="caps"&gt;KWH&lt;/span&gt; * 3 miles per kWh (RAV4 EV) = 1200 EV miles per day&lt;/li&gt;
		&lt;li&gt;438,000 miles per year&lt;/li&gt;
	&lt;/ul&gt;


	&lt;p&gt;Considering the solar array probably cost probably cost around $10/watt, or $800,000 out of $3,200,000, the hydrogen &amp;#8220;refueling station&amp;#8221; cost approximately $2,400,000.&lt;/p&gt;


	&lt;p&gt;If that money had been used to build $2,400,000 of solar installation plus $800,000 of EV chargers &amp;#8211; about 240 kW of solar and 160 EV charger stations &amp;#8211; enough for well over a million miles per year (80 cars worth) instead of just a hundred thousand hydrogen fuel-cell vehicle miles (8 cars worth). So the hydrogen fueling station is only 10% as efficient as building solar recharging stations for battery electric vehicles.&lt;/p&gt;


	&lt;p&gt;(From &lt;a href="http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/rav4-ev"&gt;&lt;span class="caps"&gt;RAV4&lt;/span&gt;-EV Digest&lt;/a&gt;, Vol 58, Issue 12, comment by William Korthof of EESolar)&lt;/p&gt;</description>
      <pubDate>Sat, 12 Apr 2008 13:21:00 -0700</pubDate>
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      <author>Max Dunn</author>
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      <category>Electric Vehicles</category>
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      <title>"Hydrogen Fueling Station: 10 Times Less Efficient" by TheSUBWAY.com</title>
      <description>&lt;p&gt;It&amp;#8217;s good to hear BP &amp;#38; GM talk about alternative fuels, but 50 years to implement is too long.&lt;/p&gt;


	&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href="http://money.cnn.com/2008/03/05/news/companies/bigoil_hydrogen/index.htm" rel="nofollow"&gt;http://money.cnn.com/2008/03/05/news/companies/bigoil_hydrogen/index.htm&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;


	&lt;p&gt;Perhaps this link will spark more attention:&lt;/p&gt;


	&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href="http://www.chevrolet.com/electriccar/" rel="nofollow"&gt;http://www.chevrolet.com/electriccar/&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;


	&lt;p&gt;It is GM&amp;#8217;s electric concept car the Chevy Volt.  If more people begin to demand alternative fuel cars, we should be able to speed the rate at which the technology is developed.&lt;/p&gt;


	&lt;p&gt;We have started an Investor Forum where Investors can meet and discuss topics like this:&lt;/p&gt;


	&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href="http://investor-forum.thesubway.com/" rel="nofollow"&gt;http://investor-forum.thesubway.com/&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;</description>
      <pubDate>Thu, 17 Apr 2008 08:46:12 -0700</pubDate>
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